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| Autor: | MB2 [ 22 paź 2009, 12:01 ] |
| Tytuł: | Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
Witam forumowiczów. Czy ktoś wie coś o fabryce amunicji w Gutowcu koło Czerska? Pzdr MB2 |
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| Autor: | fat-mike [ 22 paź 2009, 20:39 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
A jesteś pewien że tam była? Tutaj masz wspomnienia wojaka wskazujące na to, że przetrzymywano tam sporo jeńców (co może wskazywać na jakieś zakłady produkcyjne), nie słyszałem jednak nigdy o fabryce amunicji w Gutowcu (Guttowitz, 1942–45 Gutenwirt). Following the solitary confinement, we struggled on for, I would imagine, somewhere round about six or seven months, when, along with about thirty or so other men, I was moved to Camp 35 at Guttowitz. Although this Camp left a lot to be desired, we did begin to live a bit. The beds were three tier bunks, with - straw palliasses, which were not too hygienic, as by this time, the first lice were beginning to appear, no doubt due to malnutrition and the filthy conditions that we were living in. There were some cold showers in this Camp, but at first we had no soap, and not even a change of underclothing. We were issued with wooden clogs and foot rags but not much else. This Camp housed, I would guess, about 500 or 600 men, most of whom went out daily in working parties. I was sent with a party to a works called Junker & Rube, and this was where we came into our own a bit by being able to perform numerous small acts of sabotage. I was put to work on a milling machine, which I had never done in my life before, so it came quite easy to spoil about 50% of the work. Of course, I was taken off this job and put with the labouring gang. One job we had was to take up, from their concrete bases, some rather large Skoda machines and load them on to railway trucks for transportation into Germany, but we took off various plates, etc., and filled up the inside workings of the machines with sand, bricks, etc., and so it went on until, once again, I was punished for not working hard enough. I was sent to work in an Army Quartermaster's Depot where I was told I would have to work hard because it was supervised by all army personnel, no civvies, but I did not do too badly here, as there was quite a lot of food loading and unloading to do. By now, we were experts at stealing, concealing and smuggling all sorts of things, especially food, into the camp and, apart from being shot at once (he missed), and once being caught with a loaf of bread for which, I think, I got one week solitary, I did all right and was even able to feed my friends. It would be around this time, early 1941, that the first Red Cross and St. John food parcels started to arrive and I am convinced that these saved many POWs' lives. We were supposed to receive one parcel each week, but sometimes it would be three or four weeks, and even as long as three months sometimes, but then we sometimes got as many as three or four parcels each and fifty cigarettes with each. Also, at this time, mail from home was arriving more regularly, censored, of course, and also parcels of clothing, etc., which was a god-send. Soap was an item that was greatly appreciated because we could at last clean ourselves up better. Lice had now become a very serious problem. The Germans used to take us, once every few months, to Konitz to be de-loused and, though this was a relief, it did not last very long. Quite a lot of POWs were now becoming mentally affected, I remember that at least two in my own camp were. One I remember, was an exceptionally tall man, over seven feet, he was of course a Guardsman. Even the Germans were humane enough to grant him double food rations, such as they were, but unfortunately his mind went and he went over-religious. He used to wander around our quarters, preaching etc., and he even used to walk out to the front of the parade on roll call, to preach. The Germans humoured him for a few days but, eventually, he was taken away. Another man's mind went and he thought he was a tough cowboy, he was always shooting it out with someone. He also was taken away. We never saw either of them again. So life went on at Guttowitz for the next three years or more. We managed to smuggle into the camp, radio parts, obtained from the Polish civilians, whilst out on working parties, and some of the radio engineers amongst us managed to assemble a radio, on which we used to receive the news in English from, I think, Russia. Although this was not always good news, at least it was a link with our own forces and better than the propaganda that we used to get. Naturally, we had to keep the radio well hidden, but we had it for four years before the Germans finally found it. We also started concert parties, variety, plays, etc., and we got quite a decent band together and, over the years, put on some quite good shows. Even the Germans used to come to see them and they used to stand up for "God Save The King". We also formed six-a-side football teams and had a small league. We used to play the matches in the compound, inside the wire, naturally. Playing cards of course, were constantly used and we nearly all became experts at playing Solo. Life was often disrupted by the cry of "Aller-ous", "Appel", someone had escaped again and we were then kept outside for hours whilst they counted and re-counted us. They also went inside and tipped, all over the floor, our few belongings and any Red Cross food, etc., which we had left. We did-not mind all this. The worst part was, that 99 times out of 100, our comrade was either re-captured or shot and in either case, we never saw him again. The best escapes were the properly organised ones, where we used to save all the German money we could lay our hands on and, when we had acquired enough, the escape was all arranged with civilian escape organisations and, from what we were told, these were nearly always successful. Twice I was sent away to smaller camps for a few months at a time, one of these I remember, was a village called Rittel. These camps housed approximately 100 men and mostly, were much easier going than the large camps. The work consisted of clearing a way through the woods and levelling the ground for a motor-way, which we were told, would run from Danzig to Berlin. So time slowly passed by, up to about the beginning of December 1944, when the worst period of all started. One morning, we were told, "Get together whatever you can carry," and we were then marched away towards Germany. We joined up with more POWs I think from Marienberg(zapewne chodziło o Marienburg), making a column of, I would imagine, over 1,000 men. We were marched, or should I say shuffled, usually between 15 and 30 kilometres a day and then herded into some large building, barn or even in the open in perhaps, a football stadium, or similar. The weather of course, was freezing cold with snow and ice, and many nights we just flopped down on to the ground and slept. Frost-bite and dysentery were rife and we were never issued with any food at all, neither for that matter, were the German guards. We obviously were moving away from the advancing Russians and, if we had not been in such a weak state, it would probably have been our best chance, ever, to escape, but it was as much as we could do, even to keep moving. żródło:http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/71/a4083671.shtml pozdro fat-mike |
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| Autor: | Ponury [ 22 paź 2009, 22:42 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5084&hilit=prochownia viewtopic.php?f=127&t=2090&p=17565&hilit=prochownia#p17565 |
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| Autor: | MB2 [ 26 paź 2009, 15:05 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
Dziękuję. Mam nadzieję, że osoba od której dostałem tą wiadomość wkrótce zaloguje się na to forum. Pzdr MB2 |
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| Autor: | rgraul [ 30 gru 2009, 00:54 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
MB2 pisze: Witam forumowiczów. Czy ktoś wie coś o fabryce amunicji w Gutowcu koło Czerska? Pzdr MB2 Witam. W Czersku przed wojnami była jakaś prochownia. W Krzyżu koło Gutowca w lesie są 2 silosy na wodę i pozostałości po fabryce lub obozie. Może piszemy o tym samym? remi |
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| Autor: | Ponury [ 30 gru 2009, 01:15 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
Taa? To chyba to samo! viewtopic.php?f=127&t=2090&p=17565&hilit=prochownia#p17565 |
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| Autor: | probin [ 22 cze 2010, 17:23 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
Byłem ostatnio w pobliżu Krzyża i Gutowca i zasięgnąłem języka u miejscowych autochtonów. Podczas wojny istniał tam obóz jeniecki w którym przetrzymywano francuzów i anglików. Byli oni wykorzystywani m.in. przy budowie drogi Berlin-Królewiec jak również pobliskich magazynów amunicji. Bardzo szybkie tempo sowieckiej ofensywy zaskoczyło niemców, którzy nie zdołali wykorzystać zgromadzonej amunicji. Po przejściu frontu sowieci natychmiast przystąpili do likwidacji magazynów wysadzając wszystkie budynki i baraki w powietrze. Wybuchy i fajerwerki trwały wg miejscowych cały tydzień. Po tej akcji pozostały tylko solidnie wykonane drogi betonowe które dzisiaj prowadzą do nikąd. Drogi po wojnie zostały częściowo rozebrane przez miejscowych w celu pozyskania budulca na fundamenty. Pozostały również dwa betonowe silosy w kształcie walca o średnicy ca 4 m i głębokości ok. 6 m. Wg miejscowych mogły spełniać dwa rózne zadania. wg jednych były zbiornikami p-poż ( notabene w tym celu wykorzystuje je aktualnie straż pożarna) lub wg drugich były szambami obsługującymi obóz jeniecki. Opinie sa podzielone ponieważ miejscowi nie mieli wstępu do obozu a po drugie zapóźniona cywilizacyjnie miejscowa ludność nie potrafiła dokładnie określić przeznaczenia tej infrastruktury technicznej. Gdy byłem tam na rekonesansie silosy były wypełnione wodą więc trudno mi wysnuć jakiś wniosek o przeznaczeniu. Pozdrawiam |
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| Autor: | slawek [ 23 cze 2010, 12:19 ] |
| Tytuł: | Re: Gutowiec - fabryka amunicji |
To Niemcy wysadzili to czego nie zdołali zabrać. Tam też były magazyny, bo trafiała się amunicja, np.: Lebel, Mosin, itp. nawet kilka sztuk do ił-a, pociski artyleryjskie produkcji francuskiej, włoskiej, węgierskiej. Ponoć jak Niemcy to wysadzali to Ruskie pod Legbondem zaczęli się okopywać, bo myśleli, że Niemcy kontratakują. Skutkiem tego wysłali bombowce, żeby zbombardowały okolice. Rezultat widać do dzisiaj: drogę z berlinki do Krzyża w dwóch miejscach przecinają leje po bombach. P.S. Przepraszam za ortografię. Poprawiłam, ale staraj się pisać poprawnie, Burza. |
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